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zalia-ash:

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christinsanity:

Fuck everything about Islam.

excuse you?

• “O mankind! We created you from a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes that you may know and honor each other (not that you should despise one another). Indeed the most honorable of you in the sight of God is the most righteous.” Chapter 49, Verse 13

Qran advocates handcutting for stealing. Here (THIS IS SICK AND DISGUSTING! YOU WATCH THAT UNDER YOUR OWN WILL! IF YOU ARE WEAK-HEARTED PLEASE DON’T WATCH THAT!) http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/handcutting.htm

I REPEAT: FUCK EVERYTHING ABOUT ISLAM!

Absolutely NOWHERE in Islam does it say that the hand cutting punishment applies to animals.
I’d like to see you show me ONE Islamic source that advocates this.  

Animals aren’t capable of thought and reasoning and cannot understand human rules, therefore animals cannot consciously steal. There is no way that our laws can apply to animals, as they cannot understand them.

Any imbecile knows that.  

Nowhere in Islam does it say that cruelty to animals is permissible at all.

In fact, Muslims are told to be nothing but kind to animals.
 

The Prophet(s) was asked if acts of charity even to the animals were rewarded by God. He replied: ‘yes, there is a reward for acts of charity to every beast alive.’ (Narrated by Abu Huraira, Bukhari, 3:322)

It was narrated from Ibn ‘Umar that he entered upon Yahyaa ibn Sa’eed and one of Yahyaa’s sons had tied up a hen and was shooting at it. Ibn ‘Umar walked over to him and untied it, then he brought it and the boy and said, “Do not allow your boys to tie up birds in order to kill them, for I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbidding the tying up of animals or other creatures in order to kill them.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5195; Muslim, 1958.)

”Those who are kind and considerate to Allah’s creatures, Allah bestows His kindness and affection on them. Show kindness to the creatures on the earth so that Allah may be kind to you.” (Hadith - Abu Dawud and Tirmidhi)

“The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, forbade tying up animals so that they could be shot at and killed.” Riyad as-Salihin (The Meadows of the Righteous)

It was narrated from Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allaah that a donkey whose face had been branded passed by the Prophet(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and he said, “May Allah curse the one who branded him.” (Narrated by Muslim, 2217)

Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, “A man felt very thirsty while he was on the way, there he came across a well. He went down the well, quenched his thirst and came out. Meanwhile he saw a dog panting and licking mud because of excessive thirst. He said to himself, “This dog is suffering from thirst as I did.” So, he went down the well again and filled his shoe with water and watered it. Allah thanks him for that deed and forgives him. The people said, “O Allah’s Apostle! Is there a reward for us in serving the animals?” He replied: “Yes, there is a reward for serving any living being.” (Bukhari, Book #43, Hadith #646)

Cats in particular are held in quite high regard in Islam, and to mistreat them is worthy of being sent to hell.
 

“The Prophet(s) told his companions of a woman who would be sent to Hell for having locked up a cat; not feeding it, nor even releasing it so that it could feed herself.” (Narrated by Abdullah bin ‘Omar. Bukhari, 4:337

So go on. Please tell me more about how mistreatment of animals is allowed in Islam.

I consider myself a polite person, and I try to avoid use of vulgar swearwords at all times, regardless of how upset I may be.

Therefore, anti-Islamic posts don’t phase me.

However, as a Muslim and an avid cat lover, I take enormous personal offense to this post.

So,

fuck everything about you.

I REPEAT: FUCK EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU!

Oh you’re offended by me pointing out your religion atrocities? How nice.

Yeah - nowhere in Quran it says to chop off animals legs. IT SAYS THOUGH TO CUT OFF THIEVES’ HANDS OFF. 

Maybe you’ll take offense in that, huh?  I won’t call you names, even though I think you deserve I won’t lower myself to your level. I guess that is how far your kind treatment of others, ordered by your pedophile prophet, goes. But anyway…

I don’t give a damn what specific verses there are are there are not in your holy piece of paper. I give a damn about that people of your faith use that book to justify all kinds of shit they do. And you may bark all day long - there are shitty things in Islam and there are people doing shitty things due to Muslim crap doctrine. Like chopping off thieves legs.

Hero the cat is an example of cat cruelty. But you seem to miss the subtle fact, that the fucktard Muslim fishmonger could do ANYTHING to punish the cat, kill him, behead him (you seem to like that, don’t you?), stroke him, drown him and lots of lots of thing. What he had done? He cut his legs off, just like your book says in case of humans. This doesn’t give you any hints whatsoever, right?  

Thank you for presenting us with a perfect example of a blind religious crybaby, which call names everyone around when his fairy tale is being criticized. That is what religion does - do you push the responsibility of religion-driven attrocities done by your kin onto anything else but religion in other cases as well? Is it your regular activity?

Ad hominem that you are using also shows you in a proper light. Now go back to your playground, cause apparently you’re to childlike NOT to swear onto others whenever your opinion is being criticized. And before I’ll answer your next message - grow up.

Before I reply to this, I would like to first take back the ad hominem attack. I sincerely apologize. There was no need for me to be so hostile. It was unbecoming of me, and not beneficial to the debate whatsoever. I wrote that in mock of what you had written before (”fuck everything about Islam”), and I misunderstood your tone, assuming you were just bashing mindlessly. I do realize now that you have put quite a bit of thought into this, and I would like to proceed with the rest of this conversation respectfully.

”Oh you’re offended by me pointing out your religion atrocities?”

No, of course not. I am fully aware that people of my religion have committed and continue to commit atrocities.

What I am offended by is when the actions of particular Muslims are generalized as Islam, even when they go against the teachings of Islam. The whole ”Fuck everything about Islam.” was what offended me, considering that what happened here is condemned in Islam.


”I give a damn about that people of your faith use that book to justify all kinds of shit they do.”

So do I. I think we’re on the same page here. I’m not okay with people torturing animals, murdering people, and other heinous crimes in the name of my religion.

But the problem here is not Islam itself, the problem is Muslims that don’t even know Islam properly. This man cut off the cat’s legs thinking that he was following Islamic law, and didn’t even know that what he was doing is condemnable by our religion. The problem here is him and people like him.


”The fucktard Muslim fishmonger could do ANYTHING to punish the cat.” 

 Yes, he could have. However, that does not mean that our religion condones it. Like I said before, mistreatment of cats can result to being sent to hell, according to our beliefs. (I know you don’t believe in hell, but I’m sure you understand the graveness it holds for us.)
 

”He cut his legs off, just like your book says in case of humans.”

Yes, and this can only possibly apply to humans. And even then it has restrictions. I don’t see why people see it as a vile barbaric practice, as it is actually a quite detailed legal system. I know that you ”don’t give a damn what specific verses there are are there are not in your holy piece of paper”, but you ought to know that it isn’t nearly as simple as just chopping someone’s hand off. I’d recommend that you read this, and perhaps understand it all a bit better.
 

The verse of the Quran that deals with cutting hands for punishment is as follows:

“As to the thief, male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power. But if the thief repents after his crime, and amends his conduct, Allah turneth to him in forgiveness; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.” [5:38-39] 

The Shariah concept for imposing penalties for the various crimes is that they prevent lawlessness, destruction and anarchy in the society. 

Due to the idea behind these various penalties being imposed to create a better society as a whole, the Shariah laid down certain strict rules and conditions in order for the punishment to be established or enforced. 

The case with theft and stealing is the same in that certain conditions have been laid down for the penalty to be imposed. If the conditions are met, only then will such a penalty be enforced.

Conditions for the penalty of theft:

1) The one who steals is sane
2) (S)he has reached puberty
3) (S)he steals equivalent to the amount (nisab) or more. The Nisab is one Dinar or ten Dirhams (i.e. 4.374 grams of gold, currently about $50 USD). The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said:

”There is no cutting (of hands) for stealing that is less then ten Dirhams.” (Musnad Ahmad).

Sayyidah Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) reports that ”The hands were not cut in the time of the Messenger of Allah for stealing worthless things.” (Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah).

Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) narrates that: ‘‘The hand of a thief was not cut off during the lifetime of the Messenger of Allah except for stealing something equal to a shield in value.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, 6792, & Sahih Muslim, 1685).
A shield was worth one Dinar at that time, as narrated by Ibn Abbas in Sunan Abu Dawud & Sunan Nasai.

4) (S)he steals the article from a place that meets the requirements of security and safeguarding. This security is considered when the article is safeguarded by a guard or by it being locked in a place.
5) The article is in the ownership of another person
6) There is no confusion in it (as to whether he took it by way of theft or for some other reason).
7) It was stolen secretly (not by force, etc).

If any of the above conditions are not met, then the penalty of theft will not be established.

Stealing will be established by self admittance or by testimony. The witnesses will be asked the details of the incident.

A person’s hand is not amputated when he steals less than the equivalent of 4.374 grams of gold, from place that does not meet the requirements of security, something that is useless, something that is in general ownership such as water in the river, sticks from the wood, etc., food that rots very quickly such as milk, meat, fruits, etc., articles that are unlawful due to the possibility that one had an intention of getting rid of it.

The penalty:

The penalty for the one who steals (when the above conditions are met) is that his/her right arm is amputated. If a person steals a second time, his left foot is amputated; if a third time, then he will be imprisoned until he repents, but no further amputation will take place.

‘But if the thief repents after his crime, and amends his conduct, Allah turneth to him in forgiveness.”

It is extremely important to note that the verse makes clear whoever commits theft but repents after and makes amends is pardoned. Thus no punishment can be administered. 

What people don’t ever take into consideration is that there’s a whole process of judgement that goes into making decisions such as these. It’s easy to say ”Muslim crap doctrine. Like chopping off thieves legs.” , but what people never realize is that it’s actually a entire system of law.

”Do you push the responsibility of religion-driven attrocities done by your kin onto anything else but religion?”

No, I don’t. Many Muslims are a problem. A huge problem. I acknowledge that. But like I said before, it is Muslim people that don’t know their religion properly, or take the law into their own hands, or gravely misinterpret the laws who are the problem, not our religion itself.
 

”Now go back to your playground, cause apparently you’re to childlike NOT to swear onto others whenever your opinion is being criticized.”

Again, I do truly apologize. I should not have let my hotheadedness get the better of me. In my religion, we are told to ”argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious”, and ”Whenever you speak, speak justly”.  (from Qur’an 16:125 and 6:152) I have acted against my teachings, and I would like it to be known that I do not mean you any personal offense.  

I hope that I have explained my position better, now that I understand where you are coming from in this discussion.

And I hope that we can continue this conversation politely.

Peace.